Patrick j miron has a different opinion
then the history of the bible
Monday, August 27, 2012
Its So Fluffy--Catholic responses to the Booklet: “Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze part 3 A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 3
ok here we go
Catholic responses to the Booklet: “Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze part 3
It is at the end of these points where Thomas Pontificates: “that each of us must decide what he will do.”
Sin has three sources:
1. The world we live in and it’s sinful influence;
2. Our “flesh /Passions”;
3. and the Devil.
All three have a part in the lack of RIGHT understanding of the Bible.
1. Those around us “naturally” influence our way of thinking [or NOT thinking for ourselves].
Most of us are reluctant to “buck the popular trends”
for fear of personal embarrassment
, stemming from a lack of understanding and faith in God.
2. Our passions; this time in the form of “Pride” is one of Satan’s favorite and most utilized tools.
“Knowing more than; or knowing better than” God, the Catholic Church,
Every Pope and even History, as well as the Bible all take a lesser place of significance to Protestant secular “logic”.
Our “right to our own opinion” often negates and exceeds the reality of the truth
3. The Devil is Real, active, cunning, duplicitous and
builds on all three vehicles
to aid God in blocking RIGHT understanding of the Bible.
God with His motive and
satan with his own reasons.
“One’s right” of self interpretation; despite it being clearly denied in the bible itself, is ignored and denied.
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
First of all you must understand this,
that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man,
but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples came and said to him, "
Why do you speak to them in parables?" And he answered them,
"To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it has not been given.”
For to him who has will more be given,
and he will have abundance
; but from him who has not,
even what he has will be taken away. “
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 3
patrick j miron how to Annoy - human error and incorrect understanding
just in time for christmas
Any and All evidence of a seemingly contradictive statement is PROOF POSITIVE of human error
of and incorrect understanding.
So how does one then resolve such apparent conflicts of theology, doctrine and understanding will become our first priority to explain.
Consider the following points carefully and prayerfully.
Logic itself assures that God would have anticipated this potential problem of wrong understanding, in the course of human-secular history, and would have Himself provided the answer.
Logic also confirms that for every precisely defined issue there can only be One single truth.
The First element of truth to be exposed has two key elements:
1. Never in the recorded history of the God-man relationship,
has God even one time indicated that He God would approve of any alternative Faith beliefs
not taught by Him personally
; or Inspired and fully protected by the Holy Spirit.
If anyone did chosen to teach a different Faith., such actions were often the impetus for swift and severe rebukes by God.
While after 2,000 years there remains ONLY One Catholic Church, [23 braches], all sharing the same,
One set of commonly held faith beliefs;
our Protestant brethren have a HUGE number of differing sets of faith beliefs, often within the same denomination
; indicative of what might be expected without God’s Own Guidance, protection and warranty.
This sad reality stems from “everyone being entitled [somehow?] to their own understanding [with God’s expected approval of it.]
ONLY the CC actually has these gifts and assurance, of God’s own Truths and such is proven by the Bible itself.
Romans 13: 1-4 “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. [Appointed by Christ Himself] For there is no authority except from God,and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.”
2. The second point is the it is GOD who choose Peter and the Apostles
. And it is God who choose to restrict heavens access to what is taught By Jesus, through Peter and the Catholic Church. [Mt. 16:18-19]
Patrick j Miron --The Holy Grail - Just A Flesh Wound--Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit.
Patrick j miron commentary with the right understanding of scripture
It ought not be a surprise that each of Thomas’ positions is based on
a continuation of secular-humanistic-logic.
Completely unguided by the Holy Spirit.
There can only be a single truth per issue [applying logic here],
so the position of Thomas seems to be that there was no biblical truth prior to the formation of our Brethren’s Protestant faith’s [plural],
and there newly discovered and uncovered “truths‘ after a period of about ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS of ONLY one Faith; the Faith of the Catholic Church.
Their first error is again; denial of Christ in the Eucharist, and the FACT that as Jesus Himself assures us;
“I AM God and I AM Present“, He therefore deserves and commands the place of honor afforded to Him in Catholic Practice. That is why the altar if Sacrifice in located front and center. God becomes Preset on it!
Second; on the issue of “authority.”
Thomas [and most Protestants] are not recognizing what
the Bible ACTUALLY say’s about the Catholic Church teachings Authoritatively,
because it alone is Christ Own Church, and the One set of faith-beliefs taught and protected by God himself.
The issue is further solidified by the fact that the Bible remains
a Catholic Book, in collection, and in origin of the entire New Testament which explains then why God ONLY guides the CC in granting His “FULL TRUTH“, and CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of His Word.
It is extremely important;
even vital to recognize that the Protestant claim that the bible
; for them, “acts for “as their “god,”
This is based on a complete and total falsehood.
Because God” is not with them in the same manner He IS with us Catholics.
The Bible Alone” then acts as the “only and final authority“, leading Protestants to consistent errors and numerous disagreements within even there own non-catholic ranks.”
YET that same “final authority” is NOT fully accepted,
and is often rejected, with amazing consistently, as “common self- selectively” is regularly applied on all of their following positions which are taught in the Bible.
1. Only One God; Only One set of Faith beliefs, and Only one church approved, guided and guarded organization as was set up by Christ.
[John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; John 20-19-22; Matt. 28:16-20, Matt. 16:18-19].
2. The Primacy of Peter.
Jesus gave the key’s to heavens access to Peter
and the CC alone.
3. The denial of the proper place and
absolute need for the CC as
The Primary and Guided Teacher chosen by God
4. The essential Role of grace , especially “sacramental grace“ in BOTH Faith and salvation
5. Salvation issues and how salvation might be possible [clearly NOT OSAS] which denies God’s Divinity and humanities freewill, mind and intellect.
6. Predestination as part of salvation is NOT God’s way [nor the bibles, IF correctly understood.
7. The Seven Sacraments ALL instituted by Christ [explicitly or implicitly] for our benefit.
and the counsel of trent
8. Forgiveness of Sins and how it MUST happen,
because God Himself say’s so.
9. That reading the Bible while a good thing; OFTEN
[as evidenced by the MULTITUDE of Protestant denominations and varying faith-beliefs] ;
is dangerous when not done in full-accord with the
One Authority guided and honored by God; thee CC.
[Mt.16:15-19; Mt.28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19, John 20:19-22; Eph. 4:1-7, Acts 20:29, Rom. 3:2; Jer. 3:15; 1 John 4:4-5; 2nd. Cor. 11:12-13, All of John chapter six; Mt. 7:21-23, 2nd. Tim. 4:1-4, 2nd. Tim.3:16-17, and 2nd. Peter 2:1-2.]
AND THIS IS only A PARTIAL LIST OF BIBLE PASSAGES THEY DO NOT ACCEPT., so it seems foolish to spend more time on this topic.
Friday, August 24, 2012
Thomas here’s the deal I’ll make you:YOU show me “grace” and then I’ll show you Jesus REALLY in the EucharistAnswers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze
Protestant Theology & Catholic Doctrines
Exposed to cover & discover the “Naked Truth“... Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze
Part 2
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 2
“Do the Bread and Wine Become Christ Body and Blood”?
My dear friends in Christ,
Allow me to please set a platform for this part of the discussion. I do not exaggerate one iota when I claim
that this topic, while wrongly understood, is nevertheless a well thought out and formulated thesis. It is draconian in nature because it attempts to place a STAKE into the very heart, body, mind and soul of the entirety of our Catholic beliefs. If one is unable to defend this issue, of Christ “Real Presence, one is unable to defend Catholism in total. They win; we lose! …WHY?
1324 The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life." "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch." [Sacrifice]
The Council of Trent (1545 - 1563) defined the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and the Eucharist as both the continuing sacrifice of Christ and a real sacrament.
The institution of the Eucharist as sacrament was contained in the words "Do this in remembrance of me."
The date of declared “Dogma” is significant ONLY in that it raises this believe that has always been held as true, believed, understood and practiced, to a position of indisputable truth. This was made necessary by the Protestant revolution, begun by Martin Luther which soon spread to other “I Know more or I know better” than God and the Catholic Church. Despite regional attacks throughout history , none had ever been serious enough, wide spread enough to require such an action, which has always been held as infallible truth, because God said so.
[4] It was around 1226 that catholics begin to bow down before the bread
Actually is on or far more like, much before 1171.
“On the occasion of the 750th anniversary of the first celebration of the feast of Corpus Christi, the Holy Father wrote a letter to Bishop Albert Houssiau of Liege, Belgium, successor of Bishop Robert of Thourotte, who in 1246 had established the feast which was later extended to the universal Church by Pope Urban IV. Here is a translation of the Pope's Letter, which was dated 28 May and written in French.”
But even this is GREATLY misleading. Catholics right from the beginnings of the RCC, because it REALLY IS Jesus, consistently held the Blessed sacrament in Great honor and with the Highest esteem. That is the message and the cause for the rebuke of 1st. Cor. 11:26-29 and we see CCC 1345; St. Justin Martyr in 155 AD wrote about the Mass: …“He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.”
[5] the church having [now] accepted this tradition, tries to give the practice a strange interpretation based on 1st.Cor. 11:24-25 “and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."
Sufficient evidence of the Catholic Belief has been provided above
[6] This strange translation is that the catholic church made is that this bread and wine that Christ held in His hand somehow became his body and blood
To clarify our Teaching as catholics. We UNDERSTAND that the Eucharist is From God [the Father], Of God [Jesus the Son], and caused By God [The Holy Spirit] using His priest. It is a series of miracles that ONLY humanity can benefit from as God is already Perfect.
[7] Because Christ was standing up in front of his disciples it is clear that in holding up the bread and wine and pronouncing the words that “this is My Body; this is My Blood” were intended to be understood [only] symbolically.
No, not at all. Christ made clear just what he did mean; it was understood by the Apostles, and it was put into practice as Jesus commanded after He died. Do not hold god to “time” which is a necessity of humanity; not of God for whom everything is in the “present.”
[8] There can be no doubt of this because he calls “it bread three times”, which he certainly would NOT have done if it really was not ONLY BREAD, but literally his body. {every time you eat this bread” … 1st. Cor. 11:26-28} “For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. [PAUL’S Admonition] Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.” … A bit of “slight of hand” is attempted here. Only the first use is from the mouth of Jesus [who clearly] is implying that it is NOW His Body and no-longer just bread… which also is the rebuke Paul gives to those who are not giving IT proper respect and worship!
[9] he MUST have been speaking symbolically either when he was speaking of the bread or when speaking of his body
And this friends is the thinking of secular-humanistic logic; void of Faith, Hope, love and TRUTH.
[10] the question is NOT “should we interpret the passage literally… BUT which part are we to interpret literally and which part symbolically?” DITTO above comments
[11] the only other choice is that it changed from bread to his body then back to bread again
Same lack of understanding repeated here
[12] we find a similar remark in Mark 14:25 “Truly, I say to you, I shall not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."
This takes place in a Passover meal, and Jesus here refers to the third Traditional cut of wine.
[13] Did he NOT MEAN that it is through him, we can enter into heaven, rather than his body which had been changed into blood.”
Actually it is NOT ONLY “through Him” IT IS Through Him, and With Him and In Him” which exactly why Jesus does it. Because Salvation IS through Jesus; the Eucharist is the GREATEST AID God can provide [conditionally] to lead us to all that is necessary to merit salvation.
[14] Even MORE important at the moment the miracle should occur; nothing happenings
Thomas here’s the deal I’ll make you:
YOU show me “grace”
and then
Thomas here’s the deal I’ll make you:
YOU show me “grace”
and then
I’ll show you Jesus REALLY in the Eucharist
[actually I intend to do this anyway].
[15] By way of comparison Christ changed water into wine and it became WINE! [Jn.28: 8-10]…Funny you should mention that. This miracle is different from every other Jesus reported miracle in that ALL of the others had a “Spiritual element”, a spiritual benefit. So what and where are the “spiritual element; the spiritual benefit here?” … To Be continued at the Last Supper!
Thomas I don’t want to make light of your point. Every other miracle had physical evidence, and you’re asking why not here? And the Answer is that it is at the Last Supper: REALLY CHRIST, thee miracle of miracles because it is not only done by God; IT IS GOD!
[16] now let us not loose sight of the true purpose of the “communion service”. Christ never ONCE told the disciples to offer up his body again; He told the TWICE to do this “in memory of me.”
Excuse me Brother Thomas;. “Communion service???” NOT !!!!!! “ Mass” YES! With the Transubstaniatiated; REAL Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity: the COMPLETE JESUS CHRIST.
[17] We honor Christ :by doing what he commands. And the FACT that you cannot understand the truth is because you are denying God himself. Relying on self, on your OWN very human logic.
Sir.39: 16 "All things are the works of the Lord, for they are very good, and whatever he commands will be done in his time."
Thomas I promised you in # 14 above that I would show you the evidence you seek. If you’re not too filled with self-importance and pride [the devils KEY to our souls], you’ll grasp it. If not, know that I am praying for you.
Eucharistic Miracles
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.therealpresence.org%2Feucharst%2Fmir%2Fa3.html
Thomas they are so frequent that I invite YOU, to discover this truth; the physical truth you seek can be had.
God Bless,
Pat
The THIRD issue raised is “Can the sacrifice of Christ be Renewed”?
Thomas say’s “NO!”
And this agrees with what we Catholics Actually believe. Christ Sacrifice in the Most holy Eucharist is One and the SAME-IDENTIAL one that claimed Christ Life. We understand that Jesus can ONLY die once in His human nature; thus the Sacrifice is “RE-PRESENTED”; PRESENTED AGAIN AND AGAIN WHICH TOO IS A MIRACLE FROM GOD.
END OF SECOND SECTION # 2
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